Engine Stalls In Reverse Shortly After Cold Start (On-Board Snapshot Required) (A18-072)
WARNING: This page is about the CR-V EX, Eng CD K24V1, which is a different variant/trim than selected.
Publication date: 2019-10-15Reference number: A18-072
Supersedes refnos: 18-072
ENGINE STALLS IN REVERSE SHORTLY AFTER COLD START (ON-BOARD SNAPSHOT REQUIRED)
TECHNICAL SERVICE BULLETIN
Reference Number(s): A18-072, Date of Issue:
October 15, 2019
Superceded Bulletin(s): 18-072, Date of Issue:
July 03, 2018
| HONDA: | 2015 CR-V; 2016 CR-V; 2015 Accord; 2016 Accord |
AFFECTED VEHICLES
AFFECTED VEHICLES
| Year | Model | Trim | Emission Code Type | VIN Range |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2015 | CR-V | ALL | KA | ALL |
| 2016 | CR-V | 2WD | KA | 5J6RM3H...GL000001 thru 5J6RM3H...GL013389 |
| 2016 | CR-V | AWD | KA | 5J6RM4H...GL000001 thru 5J6RM4H...GL068776 |
| 2016 | CR-V | 2WD | KA | 2HKRM3H...GH000001 thru 2HKRM3H...GH540639 |
| 2016 | CR-V | AWD | KA | 2HKRM4H...GH000001 thru 2HKRM4H...GH652093 |
| 2016 | CR-V | 2WD | KA | 3CZRM3H...GG000001 thru 3CZRM3H...GG708940 |
| 2015 | Accord | ALL L4 CVT | KA, KL | ALL |
| 2016 | Accord (4-Door) | L4 CVT | KA | 1HGCR2F**GA000001 thru 1HGCR2F**GA195042 |
| 2016 | Accord (4-Door) | L4 CVT | KL | 1HGCR2F**GA000001 thru 1HGCR2F**GA194784 |
| 2016 | Accord (2-Door) | L4 CVT | KA | 1HGCT1B**GA000001 thru 1HGCT1B**GA010410 |
| 2016 | Accord (2-Door) | L4 CVT | KL | 1HGCT1B**GA000001 thru 1HGCT1B**GA010428 |
REVISION SUMMARY
Accord information was added to AFFECTED VEHICLES, WARRANTY CLAIM INFORMATION, PARTS INFORMATION, and REPAIR PROCEDURE.
SYMPTOM
When cold-starting the engine and shifting to Reverse, the engine stalls in the first 10 to 14 seconds.
POSSIBLE CAUSE
There is too much oil clearance between the input and stator shafts, which allows ATF to drain out of the torque converter during extend off periods. During a cold start, when the torque converter is refilled, air gets trapped in the torque converter. This applies the lock up clutch, which stalls the engine.
CORRECTIVE ACTION
If the vehicle stalled, there will be a PGM-FI on-board snapshot. Follow the INSPECTION PROCEDURE to retrieve and analyze the snapshot. Replace the transmission if required.
NOTE:
You must submit the on-board snapshot to Tech Line, you do not need to call them. If you do not submit one, your transmission order may be rejected and/or your warranty claim subject to debit.
WARRANTY CLAIM INFORMATION
The normal warranty applies.
WARRANTY CLAIM INFORMATION
| Operation Number | Description | Flat Rate Time | Defect Code | Symptom Code | Template ID | Failed Part Number |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2185D8 | CR-V 2WD : - Replace the transmission. This includes on-board snapshot diagnosis, alignment, neutral position memorization, and steering angle sensor neutral position clear. | 7.3 hr | 07403 | 09303 | A18072A | 06200-5LK-A05 |
| 2185D9 | CR-V AWD : - Replace the transmission. This includes on-board snapshot diagnosis, alignment, neutral position memorization, and steering angle sensor neutral position clear. | 7.7 hr | 07403 | 09303 | A18072B | 06200-5LJ-A05 |
| 2185D8 | Accord L4 CVT : -Replace the transmission. This includes on-board snapshot diagnosis, alignment, neutral position memorization, and steering angle sensor neutral position clear. | 5.9 hr | 07403 | 09303 | A18072C | 06200-5C5-A15 |
Skill Level: Repair Technician
PARTS INFORMATION
CR-V
PARTS INFORMATION
| Part Name | Order Part Number | Quantity |
|---|---|---|
| CVT Transmission 2WD | 06200-5LK-A05RM | 1 |
| CVT Transmission AWD | 06200-5LJ-A05RM | 1 |
| Prop Shaft Bolt (12-Point 8 x 12 mm) (AWD Only) | 90113-S10-000 | 4 |
| Flange Nut (12 mm) | 90371-SAA-010 | 2 |
| Flange Bolt (12 x 40 mm) | 90164-S5A-010 | 1 |
| Flange Bolt (12 x 40 mm) | 90165-T0A-A00 | 2 |
| Flange Bolt (12 x 35 mm) | 90164-T0A-A00 | 1 |
| Flange Bolt (8 x 14 mm) (AWD Only) | 95701-08014-08 | 2 |
| Exhaust Pipe Gasket | 18212-T2F-A01 | 1 |
| Exhaust Pipe Gasket | 18302-SP0-003 | 1 |
| Pre-Chamber Gasket (57.5 - 58.5 mm) | 18393-SS0-J30 | 1 |
| Self-Lock Nut (8 mm) (CLINCH) | 90115-659-003 | 2 |
| Self-locking Nut (10 mm) | 90212-SA5-003 | 6 |
| Self-locking Nut (12 mm) (CLINCH) (SATO RASHI) | 90215-SB0-003 | 4 |
| Flange Bolt (12 x 18 mm) | 90018-SNA-010 | 2 |
| Set Ring (28 x 2.0 mm) | 44319-S84-300 | 1 |
| Split Pin (3.0 x 22 mm) | 94201-30220 | 2 |
| Flange Bolt (12 x 38 mm) | 90162-SYP-000 | 2 |
| Flange Bolt (12 x 88 mm) | 90167-S5A-010 | 1 |
| Flange Bolt (12 x 25 mm) | 90182-S2H-000 | 2 |
| Flange Bolt (14 x 135 mm) | 90176-SDA-A00 | 4 |
| Flange Bolt (14 x 80 mm) | 90163-SWE-T00 | 2 |
| Flange Nut (12 mm) | 94050-12080 | 4 |
Accord
PARTS INFORMATION
| Part Name | Part Number | Quantity |
|---|---|---|
| CVT Transmission | 06200-5C5-A15RM | 1 |
| Mass Nut (12 mm) | 90371-T2F-A01 | 2 |
| Flange Bolt (10 x 35 mm) | 90163-SDA-A01 | 1 |
| Flange Bolt (12 x 139 mm) | 90176-TA0-A01 | 1 |
| Flange Bolt (12 x 45 mm) | 90165-SDA-A00 | 3 |
| Split Pin (3.0 x 22 mm) | 94201-30220 | 2 |
| Castle Nut (14 mm) | 90363-S3V-A01 | 2 |
| Self-locking Nut (10 mm) | 90212-SA5-003 | 6 |
| Exhaust Pipe Gasket | 18212-T2F-A01 | 1 |
| Exhaust Pipe Gasket | 18302-SP0-003 | 1 |
| Flange Bolt (10 x 25 mm) | 90167-SAA-010 | 2 |
| Flange Bolt (12 x 33 mm) | 90186-SDA-A00 | 2 |
| Flange Bolt (14 x 150 mm) | 90177-SDA-A00 | 2 |
| Flange Bolt (14 x 135 mm) | 90176-SDA-A00 | 2 |
| Set-Ring (28 x 2.0 mm) | 44319-S84-300 | 1 |
| Flange Bolt (12 x 40 mm) | 90164-S5A-010 | 2 |
| Self-locking Nut (8 mm) | 90115-659-003 | 2 |
| Flange Bolt (10 x 30 mm) | 90161-T2F-A01 | 3 |
REQUIRED MATERIALS
PARTS INFORMATION
| Part Name | Part Number | Quantity |
|---|---|---|
| Honda Genuine HCF-2 Transmission Fluid | 08200-HCF2 | 6 quarts |
INSPECTION PROCEDURE
- Connect to the vehicle using the i-HDS, and navigate to System Selection Menu, PGM-FI
, then On-Board Snapshot
.
- Download the on-board snapshot. There may be several files. Find the one titled Full List-Engine stall 2
.NOTE: If there is no snapshot, this service bulletin does not apply. Continue with normal system troubleshooting.
- Select the Configuration icon.
- Select the following parameters, then select the Line Graph
icon.
- Engine Speed
- Vehicle Speed
- PNP Switch
- ECT Sensor 1
- Brake Switch
- ATF/CVTF Temperature
- Eng Run Time
- AT LC SOL VLV ACTUAL
- Select the AT LC SOL VLV ACTUAL signal, then the Line Graph Set Up icon.
- Change the Max scale to 1.5
, then select OK
.
- Compare your snapshot to the one below.NOTE:
- ECT Sensor 1 and ATF/CVTF Temperature should be almost the same and under 180°F .
- The transmission will be in gear.
- Eng Run Time should be between 10 and 14 seconds .
- Engine stall will happen right after the torque converter fill control shuts off.
- If your snapshot compares to the sample, send your snapshot to Tech Line using the RO number. Then, go to REPAIR PROCEDURE .
- If your snapshot does not compare, this service bulletin does not apply. Continue with normal system troubleshooting.
NOTE: You do not need to call Tech Line. Send the on-board snapshot to Tech Line. If there is no snapshot, the transmission order can be rejected and/or the warranty claim may be subject to debit.
REPAIR PROCEDURE
NOTE:
In accordance with the Service Operations Manual, DPSM authorization is required for transmission replacements.
- Replace the transmission. Refer to the service information.
- Fill the transmission with Honda Genuine HCF-2 transmission fluid.
- Do the Neutral Position Memorization procedure and the Steering Angle Sensor Neutral Position Clear procedure. Then, do a four wheel alignment on the vehicle.
Model/Trim Fluid Volume CR-V 2WD 5.3 quarts (5.0 L) CR-V AWD 6 quarts (5.7 L) Accord CVT 5.3 quarts (5.0 L) NOTE: Fill the transmission with only Honda Genuine HCF-2 transmission fluid. If you use the wrong fluid or do not fill the transmission to the proper level, the CVT will work poorly and may fail again.
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